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Post by Lolua on Jul 3, 2004 16:41:26 GMT -5
What about Arthur's son, Mordred (sp?) ? Whether he's a half-blood or not depends on the status of his parents. But yeah, if Arthur is a possibility, so must Mordred be. *raises hand* Ah, correction to previous post, if I may: We did not decide anything regarding CoS. I kept bringing it back around because that was the information given. ... Rowling said it herself that a few fans remembered the same title as being considered for Chamber. In terms of how it has to relate to Chamber of Secrets... it's possible that the almost-titular "half blood prince" then is not the titular "half blood prince" in book 6. Therefore, as the title for book 2 it could have referred to Tom Riddle and been highly confusing for everyone until the second-to-last chapter, when Tom does his Chatty-Cathy thing and spills his life story to Harry. (And yes, I love comparing Voldemort to a Chatty-Cathy doll.) So the "half blood prince" might not have a one-to-one character correspondence between Chamber of Secrets and Book 6. And I had a thought today in Driver's Ed (while learning ways to make safe driving more complicated), what about Hagrid? Isn't Hagrid a little old to be considered a prince? But maybe Hagrid's giantess mum isn't really dead, but is the queen/Gurg of some rogue group of giants. That'd fairly efficiently make him an overage prince *coughlikePrinceCharlescough*. Oh, and if it's Colin Creevy, I will hang myself from Mount Oddment. If it is so, then I shall join you. Why would Colin have been attacked in CoS if he was actually a half blood? And that kid becoming an important character would be truly bothersome. |
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Post by Big Brother on Jul 4, 2004 4:54:33 GMT -5
I actually kinda like the idea of Hagrid as the Half-Blood Prince.
Someone like Voldemort probably spends an awful lot of time protecting themselves from all sorts of curses, charms, spells, and incantations. But physically, he's nothing special. So, while even a curse-master like Snape might have trouble defeating Voldemort in a wizard duel, I'm sure Hagrid's ham-sized fists would have no trouble popping Tom Riddle's skull like a pimple.
Wizard or no, let's see Voldy speak an incantation without a speech center in his brain, raise his wand without a motor cortex, and remember any spells with his dura matter spread in a wet grey smear across the pavement.
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Post by Lolua on Jul 4, 2004 13:36:55 GMT -5
Lovely mental image there. The MuggleNet column "The Burrow" has dedicated its July 2004 edition to the issue of the "half blood prince" and his possible identities. July 2004 - The Half Blood Prince... Who Is he? Dudley Dursley as the Half-Blood Prince by Corinne www.mugglenet.com/editorials/theburrow/corinne01.shtmlThe title tells you everything you need to know. The Runespoor and the Half Blood Prince by Sam Avila www.mugglenet.com/editorials/theburrow/sam01.shtmlThe best part is the observation about the coiled snakes in the Chamber of Secrets and the coiled snakes that came out of Dumbledore's little silver thingy. Brilliant. The rest is.... confusing, to say the least. But there are footnotes, so I am appreciative.  Conclusion: Dumbledore is important. (Duh.) The Half Blood Prince by Danielle www.mugglenet.com/editorials/theburrow/danielle01.shtmlDobby the cyclical house-elf strikes again. And again. And again. And... well, you get it. Apparently JKR thinks we're going to fall for that one again. Conclusion: Tom Marvolo Riddle. Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince- Who the heck is that? by Morgan Sutherland www.mugglenet.com/editorials/theburrow/morgan01.shtmlComprehensive search through the men of the Harry Potter universe for the prince. Conclusion: Seamus Finnigan or Mark Evans. Who is the "Half Blood Prince?" by Sonja www.mugglenet.com/editorials/theburrow/sonja01.shtmlA slightly different approach to the problem by looking at history. Conclusion: Godric Gryffindor. |
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Post by Lolua on Jul 13, 2004 18:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by Lolua on Jul 19, 2004 1:19:50 GMT -5
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Post by Lolua on Jul 27, 2004 1:54:20 GMT -5
This just in... Tom Riddle is not the Half-Blood Prince. The following helpful FAQ answers were posted on JKR's official website: Source: www.jkrowling.co.uk/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=57Source: www.jkrowling.co.uk/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=56I guess we can rule out Tom, then. This "prince" is seriously starting to sound like a brand new character (unless she's talking about Dean Thomas, to whom evidence now points as someone whose personal story was cut from CoS). I do wonder, though, what the CoS "discovery" is that serves as foreshadowing for the "discovery" in HBP... |
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 27, 2004 2:15:05 GMT -5
I would conjecture the discovery of Tom Riddle as Voldemort, and that Voldemort was hiding his own half-bloodedness.
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Post by Lolua on Jul 27, 2004 19:41:33 GMT -5
I would conjecture the discovery of Tom Riddle as Voldemort, and that Voldemort was hiding his own half-bloodedness. That makes perfect sense, though it's also possible *makes face* that she's going to reveal in Book 6 that Harry is the Heir of Gryffindor *cries at the prospect*, which would be foreshadowed by his discovery that Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort was the Heir of Slytherin.... please, Jo, say it ain't so! I'll be very upset if, after harping on about the importance of how your choices make you what you are, that Harry is The One because of his blood relatives from over 1000 years ago. Tom Riddle chose to pursue the Dark Arts (unless you think he is being possessed by a snake-woman *cough* ) and to carry out his vengeance against Muggles and Muggle-borns. The prophecy has mucked about with Harry's free will (or at least has predicted the end result of the choices made by Voldemort and Harry?) and I don't want to buy into the snug, predictable logic of "Well, Voldy is the Heir of Slytherin, Harry therefore must be the Heir of Gryffindor." It's so.... textbook. I really hope JKR is going to be a bit more creative than that. *makes puppy eyes in the rough direction of Edinburgh* |
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Post by Big Brother on Jul 28, 2004 16:04:33 GMT -5
Something Lolua remembered from a long-ago JKR interview has jogged my own memory.
In CoS, all versions, Tom Riddle is described as "the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin" (emphasis mine). When reading the book, I assumed (as did most people) that it was a typo of some sort, and of course they meant "descendant". But, when asked about this, JKR apparently said it was a "deliberate error", but refused to clarify.
Lolua also one told me that some of our resident HP fanfic writers on this board either wrote a story about or somehow subscribe to the odd theory that Ron Weasley somehow travels back in time and grows up to be Albus Dumbledore, and that this is how Dumbledore seems to always know what's going on. Like Merlin in some versions of Arthurian legend, he fortells the future by remembering it in his own personal past.
Now, I feel that the Ron-is-Dumbledore theory is a bit silly at best...but alter it a bit...
Tom Riddle/Voldemort, at the conclusion of The Second War, will be, instead of killed, somehow magically sent irretreviably back into the distant past. Trapped in time, surrounded by evil, and low on gas (sorry, watching Army of Darkness as I write this, Voldy eventually settles down and has one or more kids....who settle down and have kids of their own...and eventually, centuries or millennia later, Salazar Slytherin, founder of Hogwarts, is one of Voldemort's distant descendants. So...Tom Riddle isn't so much the Heir of Slytherin, as Salazar Slytherin is the Heir of Riddle.
Eh, it's no dumber than the "Snape is a Vampire" or the Ron/Dumbledore theories.
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Post by Lolua on Jul 29, 2004 0:07:42 GMT -5
Martin, when you said you were going to post this here, I assumed you were going to draw some kind of conclusion from it about how Tom or Salazar could be the Half-Blood Prince. Anyway, for the folks at home (one that isn't our home, that is), here's some crucial reference information that got paraphrased, etc., in the above summary of Big Brother's thought process. The passage in question... Source: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 19, "Dobby's Reward," US hardcover edition p. 332-333. Scholastic.com Chat, 16 October 2000 Source: www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htmWhat the heck does she mean by deliberate error? Was she just trying to keep us on our toes? Does anyone have a newer printing (especially the smaller "mass-market" sized paperback, solid color cover, small print) of Chamber of Secrets in which this has actually been corrected? I wish I'd thought to check this when I was in Borders today...  Note 1: Harry Potter For Grown-Ups, known in online fandom as HP4GU, is a Yahoo! Group that engages in canon discussion and speculation concerning the Harry Potter books. Active members of this group are responsible for many of the wonderful essays and resources available on the Harry Potter Lexicon (HPL). HP4GU Yahoo! Group: www.hp-lexicon.org/index-2.htmlHP Lexicon: www.hp-lexicon.org/index-2.htmlNote 2: The Ron-is-Dumbledore theory Martin alluded to in his post is fully explained on this site: www.knight2king.net/Knight2King/7moves7years.html. If you want to talk about Snape as a vampire, head on over to The Phoenix's Perch board to ask Demonic Neko and Mlle Bienvenu for further information. |
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Post by Big Brother on Jul 29, 2004 12:29:05 GMT -5
Martin, when you said you were going to post this here, I assumed you were going to draw some kind of conclusion from it about how Tom or Salazar could be the Half-Blood Prince. Well, if Tom is Salazar's ancestor, then Salazar isn't a pure-blood, since Tom himself is only a half-blood. So Salazar COULD be the half-blood prince, if the plot of the next book goes deep into the shenanigans of the Hogwarts Founders. JKR has said in no uncertain terms that Tom/Voldemort is not the HBP. So if Tom/Voldy went back in time and became Salazar himself, Sal couldn't be the HBP either. But if Tom/Voldy is truly Salazar's ANCESTOR and not DESCENDANT, then either Tom/Voldy goes back in time and becomes Sal's ancestor....or Tom/Voldy has a kid in the PRESENT who goes back in time to become Salazar Slytherin....oooh, I actually like this theory better. So Voldemort has a kid, the kid is the Half-Blood Prince, the kid is named Salazar (after Voldy's favorite great-great-etc-grandfather), and this kid somehow gets sent back in time to become Salazar Slytherin, found Hogwarts, build the Chamber of Secrets, and generally keep the Dark Ages as Dark as they can possibly be. |
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 29, 2004 14:21:12 GMT -5
Um, the only problem is that, from what Lolua posted, JKR said it really should be "descendant".
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Post by Lolua on Jul 29, 2004 17:18:22 GMT -5
Um, the only problem is that, from what Lolua posted, JKR said it really should be "descendant". Our excuse in harping on the use of ancestor in the original version is that JKR called it a "deliberate mistake," as if she were trying to tell us something by slipping up. deliberate - carefully thought out and made or done on purpose mistake - an idea, answer, act, etc. that is wrong; error or blunder Why would you make a "deliberate mistake"? It's like JKR said to herself, "Well, logically, Dumbledore should say descendant here, but let me give everyone a clue (or mess with everyone's heads) by writing ancestor instead." |
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 29, 2004 18:27:57 GMT -5
But then why would she have it changed in the paperback version?
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Conclusion: Dumbledore is important. (Duh.) 
