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Post by Lolua on Jun 30, 2004 23:17:05 GMT -5
Okay, now that it's the official Book 6 title....
Who in blazes is the Half Blood Prince?
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 1, 2004 0:22:52 GMT -5
...Voldemort?
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Post by Lolua on Jul 1, 2004 1:44:00 GMT -5
I would love it if that were the answer. It makes sense, connects nicely with Chamber of Secrets, and wouldn't be something that gives away the entire plot/objective of the book (like Philosopher's (Sorceror's) Stone did, and like Pillar of Storgé would have if it were true). But alas, good old Jo Rowling had to go and throw a wrench in the works when she made the announcement official on her site: Source: www.jkrowling.co.uk/textonly/news_view.cfm?id=77::cries:: Any other ideas? |
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Post by Big Brother on Jul 1, 2004 2:52:35 GMT -5
A couple of theories, barely supported if at all by canon:
1.) It's a new character, someone we've never heard of. Could therefore be pretty much anyone, with any background, loyalty, and agenda.
1a.) It's someone who wants to challenge Voldedork for control of the Death Eaters. Someone who, like Tom Riddle himself, is a half-blood yet who claims to be a pure-blood and despises mudbloods and muggles. Someone whose downfall will be the revelation that he is, in fact, a halfblood. Could be a character we already know, who may or may not be a publicly-known halfblood. Perhaps Lucius Malfoy's mom had an affair with a muggle? Or even Narcissa herself dallied with the Muggle Milkman?
1b.) It's someone who wants to challenge Harry Potter and/or Dumbledore as either the leader of the Anti-Voldy faction, or as the One mentioned in prophecy. Could be a fellow student (Seamus Finnegan, etc.) who has been referred to as a halfblood, or someone who will be revealed as a halfblood. Could be Nevile trying to be the One, but I firmly doubt that.
1c.) It's someone who is an actual Prince, as in the heir to the throne of a Muggle nation. Or perhaps JKR is gonna spring on us some sort of all-wizard nation (Kingdom of Avalon? Agarttha? Atlantis? Mu? Lemuria?). Perhaps it's the Potterverse version of Prince William, and Lady Di had an affair with a wizard. This person could then either fit into theories 1a or 1b above, simply end up as a pawn in the struggle between Dumbledore and Voldemort, or even precipitate a massive political crisis by threatening to reveal the wizarding word to the muggles.
2.) It's someone we know. Tom Riddle obviously fits the bill best, as he's a famous half-blood who probably read Machiavelli's "The Prince" a few too many times.
2a.) It's one of Harry's classmates. Seamus Finnegan, one fo the Creevey's, Cho Chang's younger brother just starting his first year, whomever it is, they end up the focus of a prophecy or inheriting some sort of weath or position.
2b.) It's one of the teachers. Snape, Flitwick, a new DADA instructor, whatever. Perhaps Dumbledore is a halfblood and we don't know it (DO we know his family tree?).
2c.) It's the parent or other relative of one of the students. Lucius would be amusing to find out his mother had an affair, but any other kid would do, really.
There. I think I've covered pretty much all the possibilities for whom it could be.
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Post by Lolua on Jul 1, 2004 9:17:17 GMT -5
1a.) It's someone who wants to challenge Voldedork for control of the Death Eaters. Someone who, like Tom Riddle himself, is a half-blood yet who claims to be a pure-blood and despises mudbloods and muggles. Someone whose downfall will be the revelation that he is, in fact, a halfblood. Could be a character we already know, who may or may not be a publicly-known halfblood. Perhaps Lucius Malfoy's mom had an affair with a muggle? Or even Narcissa herself dallied with the Muggle Milkman? ROFL.... sorry, it's just that the father of the Creevey brothers is an actual milkman, which makes that really, really funny. 2b.) It's one of the teachers. Snape, Flitwick, a new DADA instructor, whatever. Perhaps Dumbledore is a halfblood and we don't know it (DO we know his family tree?). All we really know about Dumbledore's family tree is that he has a brother named Aberforth (who might be the barman in the Hog's Head tavern), which, as the lesson of the Creevey brothers teaches us, doesn't necessarily mean he comes from a wizarding family. 2.) It's someone we know. Tom Riddle obviously fits the bill best, as he's a famous half-blood who probably read Machiavelli's "The Prince" a few too many times. Jo wouldn't lie to us about something like this. Of this I am certain. And Tom Riddle was more of a Half Blood Pauper, anyway, if you think about it. |
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Post by mooncroww on Jul 1, 2004 10:04:52 GMT -5
My first reaction would be Harry. Though, that almost seems to obvious. So does Voldemort. But if it isn't them then I wouldn't even be able to guess. I read something... or maybe someone told me... I dunno... that it had something to do with Neville. I don't see how that could be, but then I'm not the author. And no... we don't know Dumbledore's family history but that's cause he's actually Ron. lol.  Don't ask about that. Lolua gets it I'm sure. As for it being a teacher... that seems unlikely. As does it being a new character. Though I would never want to presume anything. |
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 1, 2004 17:34:14 GMT -5
Voldemort have any kids?
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Post by Lolua on Jul 1, 2004 18:34:27 GMT -5
Ewwwww..... I've come across some bad fanfics where he and Bellatrix Lestrange breed, and in the Archetype Academy RPG the Nemesis, Voldemmo, is their child. *perishes the thought* But in canon? *looks nervously at the PR Team* Some may refer to Tom Riddle/Christian Coulson as "Hotness". ;D I suppose it's possible that he's gotten laid, though having kids never seemed to be part of his game plan. He wanted to live forever; if he succeeded, what the heck would he need an heir for? *sideways glance at the PR Team* He seems to have spent his adolescence thinking of great things he could do with his wand, including screwing Muggles and Muggle-borns, but don't be misled by your sick, sick mind: He was thinking about the wand he bought from Mr. Ollivander, not the "wand" boys are born with or the fake wands and "wands" you can buy from Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes or Sorceress Serafina's Sex Shop.  So, no, I don't think Voldemort has any kids. Ever notice how people with really rotten childhoods are loathe to bring kids into the world? And that Voldemort is so overly fond of his pet snake that no woman would ever come close to her? *another nervous glance at the PR Team* (Guys, I'm really sorry!  ) Or even Narcissa herself dallied with the Muggle Milkman? Draco looks way too much like his father for this to be remotely possible. But I still think it's funny. ;D And no... we don't know Dumbledore's family history but that's cause he's actually Ron. lol. Don't ask about that. Lolua gets it I'm sure. *groans* Yes, I get it... maybe I'll start a thread about that next.  |
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 1, 2004 19:31:38 GMT -5
Ooh, it might not even be someone "currently" living...Any historical wizard figures that might fit that description?
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Post by mooncroww on Jul 1, 2004 23:06:51 GMT -5
My mum and I talked it over today and she is convinced it's Draco. ;D I said Neville. And while I know that they are both pure bloods... oh well.
It's probly Voldemort himself. Seems to be the most reasonable thing there. I dunno though.
The word Prince seems to being about images of someone younger. Though I suppose it could be an older person.
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Post by Big Brother on Jul 2, 2004 7:17:50 GMT -5
Ooh, it might not even be someone "currently" living...Any historical wizard figures that might fit that description? Oddly enough, Lolua did some digging last night through the list of Great Wizards and Witches Of History, or at least the list of Chocolate Frog trading cards on the HP Lexicon website. While none of them fit the description very well...one of the listed witches is, of course, Morganna Le Fay, the half-sister/nemesis/possible lover of King Arthur himself. Some sources of Arthurian myth, notably and recently including "The Mists of Avalon" by Marion Zimmer Bradley, cast both Morganna and her and Arthur's mom, the Lady Ygrayne, as witches. Ms. Bradley makes them out to be very new-age feminist-style pseudo-celtic wiccans, but it wouldn't suprise either of us if, in the Potterverse, King Arthur was indeed a half-blood. Possibly his mom, the Lady Ygrayne, was the witch, or (what with the polyjuice-potion-esque shapeshifting into the form of her husband that was how Uther got her in the sack in the first place) possibly his dad, Uther Pendragon, was the Wizard. Either way, King Arthur was (before he was King) indeed a Prince, although he didn't know it at the time. And legend does say that he'll return to save England in her darkest hour of need. A full-fledged Death Eater assault on Muggle Britain might qualify, although what the heck Arthur was doing during the Battle of Britain in 1940 is beyond me. Probably taking flying lessons but not finishing in time to make a difference. Arthur: I say, that's an odd-looking steed! Instructor: Yes, sire, it's called a Spitfire.... Arthur: So, how do you hold a lance while riding it? Instructor: This is gonna take some time... The question of how the heck to work King Arthur into an HP novel is a rather vexing one, however. EDIT: Changed an "Arthur" to an "Uther" because the error made my head hurt. -- Lolua |
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Post by Lolua on Jul 2, 2004 9:19:39 GMT -5
Here's a possible use of King Arthur in HP: Sirius isn't really dead, just hanging out "behind the veil" on Avalon with Arthur, licking his wounds and figuring out how and when to come back and kick Voldemort's bony reptilian behind. ;D
It should probably be noted that in the Potterverse, Morgan Le Fey was a very powerful Dark witch. In most versions of the Arthurian legend, she hates her brother.
Maybe Bellatrix Lestrange has a brother she hates? I can't see her brother-in-law Rabastan Lestrange suddenly becoming the "Half Blood Prince," but I suppose it could happen.
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Post by Lorpius Prime on Jul 3, 2004 0:11:00 GMT -5
What about Arthur's son, Mordred (sp?) ?
And I had a thought today in Driver's Ed (while learning ways to make safe driving more complicated), what about Hagrid?
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Post by mooncroww on Jul 3, 2004 10:18:12 GMT -5
Well, after a long talk that stretched into the early morning hours, the Oracle and I came up with a few posibilities. We decided that it has to relate to CoS.
Honestly I can't remember our reasoning on that, I should have written it down. But, on that thought, we came up with a few possibilities.
Draco, Hagrid, or (though highly unlikely) Colin Creevy.
All of which have a bit of reasoning behind them. Cept Colin who was just new and stood out a bit.
I may have more time to elaborate later.
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Post by Oracle Of Odd on Jul 3, 2004 12:41:41 GMT -5
*raises hand* Ah, correction to previous post, if I may: We did not decide anything regarding CoS. I kept bringing it back around because that was the information given. To MoonCroww: *shakes head* Cousin, Cousin, Cousin *tsk, tsk, tsk*  I thought you knew that it had to relate to CoS. Rowling said it herself that a few fans remembered the same title as being considered for Chamber. Sorry to mislead you. Just thought I'd throw that in. Oh, and if it's Colin Creevy, I will hang myself from Mount Oddment. Later Dayz, [glow=red,2,300]The Oracle[/glow] Support Your Local Longbottom! www.RatherLongbottom.com |
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Don't ask about that. Lolua gets it I'm sure.
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I thought you knew that it had to relate to CoS. Rowling said it herself that a few fans remembered the same title as being considered for Chamber. Sorry to mislead you.